One of Giles lines in Grave

[JLB]

"If you lose someone you love ... the other people in your life who
care about you become meaningless"

Giles said that to Willow in Grave. As many know I didn't watch that
ep but from the lead up and transcripts I was more on WIllow's side,
and believe that if the Scoobies hadn't gotten in the way Willow
wouldn't have gone after them.

But I think an interesting fic could come from changing Willow's
response. What if she'd said: "You agreed with that a few years
ago." Refering to the suicide run against Angelus.

Maybe a conversation around the time where she's at the coven
revealing she feels betrayed considering how Giles reacted to Jenny's
death and Buffy to Angel's poisoning.

JLB

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Post by JLB
"If you lose someone you love ... the other people in your life who
care about you become meaningless"

When you mentioned this line, something suddenly came to my mind: does it
have a double meaning? Is this supposed to explain why Giles left that
season, because after Buffy's dead all his other friends in Sunnydale
became meaningless to him?

Post by JLB
Giles said that to Willow in Grave. As many know I didn't watch that
ep but from the lead up and transcripts I was more on WIllow's side,
and believe that if the Scoobies hadn't gotten in the way Willow
wouldn't have gone after them.
But I think an interesting fic could come from changing Willow's
response. What if she'd said: "You agreed with that a few years
ago." Refering to the suicide run against Angelus.
Maybe a conversation around the time where she's at the coven
revealing she feels betrayed considering how Giles reacted to Jenny's
death and Buffy to Angel's poisoning.
JLB

I thought that the Giles/Buffy interaction in that episode ment that
Giles realised he was wrong to get himself killed in attempted vengence?
So in that case, he was trying to explain Willow what he had learned
himself before.

But I agree that the reasons from the scoobies were not exactly the most
convincing - best I could tell was that they did not want Willow to loose
herself to magic, but would have accepted it if she had used traditional
non-magic ways of killing/torturing. - Especially Anya and Xander should
usually have been supportive of revenge characterwise.

About what you said about getting in Willow's way; I think she already
went out of line when she tried to hurt Dawn, and possibly Rack, and they
did not come in her way.

But the 'ending-the-world' did not come before Giles forced the
compassion-magic on her, so I can not blame Willow for that, it's more a
Giles-messup.